Cougar fans sometimes disagree on the process to achieve the same goal

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Ron,
While appreciate your passion for football, I think you are making it a bigger deal than it needs to be.

Here is an excellent article about Recruiting: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865697646/Recruiting-net-for-BYU-football-narrow-coaches-are-looking-for-advantages-opportunities.html

Your stated beliefs are:

  1. need high profile coaches to win on a P5 level

  2. Need to recruit 4-5 star athletes

  3. Get better assistant coaches.

  4. High profile coaches will not come to BYU for ANY amount of money. Why? because at BYU you can not drink or smoke. even off duty and in your own home. If anything happens, BYU will terminate you.

  5. Star Recruits are a gamble at best. Do you member 5 star Olsen? Bombed at BYU and UCLA. What about the 5 star athlete Heaps, Apo, Stout? All five star athletes… Apo was the best out the bunch, he really was mediocre at best.

  6. Get better assistants, Well there I agree, The issue last year was that both Kalani and Tom Holmoe hired INEXPERIENCED D1 football coaches. and it cost us dearly last year.

Kalani took a bunch of crap for letting Detmer go, but he realized his mistake and the new offensive coaching staff has almost 100 years of combined D1 coaching experience. That is why Lavell succeeded, he hired good experienced assistants.

The other thing you have to look at for the down turn is the entry requirements for BYU. The academic standards as risen to the point that good kids can not get into BYU (athletes or regular students). For some unknown reason the BOT has decided to move the academic standards to the level of Stanford, or the Ivory league schools. That costs recruits.

be patient, Kalani is finally on the right track,Hard work, desire, work ethic of the players and good coaching will make BYU a threat once again.

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It truly was tragic to see Detmer hired and fired but lets get real for a moment…Detmer was hired and told who his assistants would be. Mahe seemed to be more of a “good ol boy’s club” then a guy who knew what he was doing. OC’s always bring their own coaches with them but not at BYU, at least in this case. Grimes got to choose. How is it that we did not learn from the Doman example?

Tried and True is what we need now, Grimes will make a huge difference, he is a lineman specialist and that is where you start when you are building a team.

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That is why I said Kalani or Tom Holmoe, I was sure which one hired the Offensive Assistant coaches, Pretty sure Detmer didn’t.

I remember Grimes Part !, he had several Lineman go to the NFL during his years at BYU, hopefully we will have a much improved offense.

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Floyd,

Thank you for your reply. I always find something in your positing that I can agree with.
With this posting, we agree on the assistant coaching, at least to a point.

As far as the disappointment in our 5 star athletes, that could not only make it at BYU, but also where ever they ended up after BYU, I do blame Bronco for that. Bronco was not comfortable with anyone above 3 stars and he passed that onto the gifted players.

“Stars mean nothing to me” 4-5 Star players should be grateful to come to BYU and not the other way around" " They have to start at the bottom and prove them selves and work their way up" etc. etc. etc. He broke their spirit to the point that they were not worth much by the time they transferred out. Shameful!!!

The last I heard, Andy Reid, does not smoke or drink on campus or in the NFL,or in public, or in the privacy of his own home. He is an expensive member of the Church in Good Standing.

I still stand tight of the OPINION that you can’t make sweet orange juice out of lemons, no matter how good those lemons are. We can not be successful playing a P5 schedule with P5 competition full of 4-5 star players, when we only have 0.1.2.3 star players to match up against those 4-5 star players.

Do you really believe that an Urban Myers of Ohio State; a Gary Patterson of TCU; a Nick Saben of Alabama, a Jim Harbaugh of Michigan; A Bob Stoops of Oklahoma; a Dabo Swinney of Clemson, A David Shaw of Stanford; a ark Dantonio of Michigan State;, A Jim Fisher of Florida State; or a Mark Richt of Miami, can not get 10 times more 4-5 star recruits than any FCS coach or any G 5 Coach or any non HC at the P5 level? Of course not,
10 X the amount of 4-5 star players was just in the first day of recruiting. No informed person can tell you honestly that the quality of the coach does not play a hughe amount in the ability to attract quality players; And------that’s all that I am saying

"coaches are looking for advantages, opportunities " They can look all they want forever, but on an ongoing basis, you can’t make orange juice out of the highest quality of Lemons on earth.