What Obama and Kerry have done to Israel

And, we won that war. For the first time Iraquis and Afghans voted for their President in free elections. Then, Obama comes in and against his military generals leaves Iraq. Then, ISIS emerged and Obama called them the JV team. What an idiot! ISIS spread and is in 23 countries and hundreds of thousands have died in Syria and those other countries.
What does Obama do? Sides with the killers if Anwar Sadat, The Muslim Brotherhood. A group I’m sure he feels right at home with. Why are you defending a fascist Muslim?

You say “you guys” and I am the only one, other than grasshopper, that has commented here. I asked some questions, expressed an opinion that had nothing to do with Obama calling people bigots and you lumped me into whatever group you felt like. Classic liberal thinking. I happen to think his policies, his decisions, his comments… all of it has undermined anything good in this country. He is a career politician and the country just got done electing a never politician because of it. Huge statement in my opinion. Did I vote for Hillary? No. Did I vote for Trump? No. They are both schmucks. Your facebook thing is so unspecific and arbitrary, how can you use it as evidence of anything?

You and grasshopper could argue forever and neither one of you will understand the other. You are both right and both wrong… but what difference does it make. That is the world we live in today.

Actually, I do understand him very well. What he doesn’t understand is socialism has only 2 outcomes if not stopped in time. Stalin (or Mao) and Hitler. He doesn’t understand that. He doesn’t understand that we cannot have a utopian society without Christ as our king.
So, where am I wrong?

Sorry Jim if I misunderstood you. As for Scott though, he clearly has no regard whatsoever for western values such as freedom of speech and freedom of religion and thinks the US should become a theocracy, something our founders clearly understood to historically result in closed societies and persecution of minorities, so yeah, that’s where he’s wrong and why thankfully people that think like him will never have much influence in any free country. You’re right, it’s a discussion that isn’t worth having, but I can’t resist jumping in once in awhile to point out how far out in right field Scott is and how most of the stuff he throws out as factual is anything but factual.

Merry Christmas all. I’m out in Utah taking care of my 90 year old dad and was and my brother in law was kind enough to let me use his tickets to the Santa Clara game last night. Great game. Looks like their jelling just in time for conference season. Perimeter defense could use some work but fortunately SC was so cold the whole game it hardly mattered.

Seems to me Obama is trying to stay in power even after January 20th. His executive orders bypassed the Congress or will of the people. That event where no Republican was involved with constructing the Obamacare bill is an example of a dictatorship without Christ leading. You support the dictator, not me. But I will admit I will support the Theocracy established by Christ through His Church he organized in 1830.
Until that time, capitalism and following the Constitution is what I follow. I have no idea what you follow but it isn’t capitalism and it isn’t the Constitution. You want people to not vote their conscience which for Christians is their religious faith and beliefs. You want them to not vote their conscience and be good little commies following their Democrat dictators. So, don’t liable me.

Here is my take…

I have “heard” Obama has orchestrated the UN vote, but have not seen any viable proof that he actually did it. Much like the hacking theorist on whether Russia interfere with the elections… no proof has been provided to the general public.

Neither Israel nor Palestine has clean hands when it comes to the issues out over there. Both have done things to subvert the peace policies and try to build a consensus on how to make it a two state area.

When Israel with drew from the West Banks, Palestine responded by throwing rockets over the wall… when Palestine wanted peace, the hard liners in Israel blocked the move. This is all very well documented on the net… no neither side can say “We are clean”…

The issue is not whether the US sustained from the UN vote… it has been done multiple times since 1947… the real issue in my mind is the scathing commenting Kerry made in behave of the US President. That to me, is a sign the the US President has made it clear that the US/Israel unity has been fractured.

I believe one of the main purposes of these comments (my opinion only) is to throw a grenade over to Israel for their support of Trump. Obama seems to me to be a pretty petty person.

I support Israel, but like in our country, extremist their views have made it difficult to make lasting peace with the Palestine government. The Palestine people are a bit a weird group, they are never happy… if you look at their history they have been thrown out of the countries of Jordan, Syria and other Arab countries the exact same reason that Israel has a problem with them… They do not play well with others.

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The only thing that was coherent was your last paragraph. When you try to blame Israel for not wanting peace, you lose any sane person paying attention. Why would Israel surrounded by Muslims who hate Jews want anything but peace?
The correct thing you finally stated was that the Palestinians don’t want peace. Thrown out of other countries because the people always elect terrorists to be their leader. Before Hamas it was the PLO. Israel gave them Gaza and they fire 1,000 rockets at them. They dig tunnels to attack Jews in Israel.
So, tell me what has Israel done wrong? Building homes on their own land that Israel owns? Why is that wrong?