I didn’t have the issue,m with everyone, I had it with the BSA and their corrupt organization. You twisted it into something else.
If i would have brought up bill Clinton speech earnings or Obamas future earnings from books and speaking engagements, you would be all on board the crony talk again like always.
I don’t like corruption in any form, not just when it doesn’t match my political ideals. You saybyounhave no problem with it, yet post about your hatred for Californian democrats who have milked the system dry, or Chicago politicians who are criminals. They are no different than the BSA in my book, crooked people taking advantage of the system.
All you have done is complain about incomes. Floyd gave the real statistics and only 2% of the money raised for BSA goes for income. You assertions that little goes to the youth is simple wrong.
With respect to sexual abuse, all organizations have that problem.
KC… why don’t you go ask your GA in law how it works in regards to the First Presidency, Quorum of the 12 and 1st quorum of the 70 “stipend”.
The church leaders are given what the church calls a stipend. For these men who gave up their livelihood to serve, they still needed to have income to raise their families.
From what I understand, the stipend is based on what the GA at the time of his calling was earning and what his future salary would have been.
President Monson was in publishing and doing quite well. He is one of the people that got the Newspaper agency (that prints all the newspaper in SL Valley) up and running. He made quite a bit of money…
then there are people like President Eyring who worked in Science, Elder Nielson a surgeon, Oakes an Attorney, ETC…
The point is that most of the people GAVE up lucrative careers to serve… Who are you to say what is enough?
I also know that a lot of the 12 are board members of several church own properties… they get paid for being board members, that may account for some of the money they get paid…
Are there any “organizations” out there that aren’t corrupt in one way or another? Watch the people of this country elect one of the most corrupt people ever when Hillary gets the presidency in a couple years.
It is more important to have a woman (insert person of color or some other minority) as president than it is to have integrity, leadership and morals in the position. Just when the sane in this country thought it couldn’t get worse with BO at the helm, watch what happens when HRC takes over.
I agree with your perspective to a degree but seriously, at this point what can be done about it?
The complaints are valid SG. You don’t seem to be able to separate how much money people supposedly “make” from how much is necessary nor the fact that the wealthy are getting wealthier and the middle class is shrinking as a result.
That is bad for all of us… you have to recognize and understand that. Are you okay with an ever increasing lower class, food stamps, housing subsidies, etc? That is what you are getting as the wealthy, many of whom do nothing productive, increase their wealth on the backs of the poor.
If that is what you see as a good thing, well good luck.
Well, some then were probably earning over a million a year. I don’t think they get that. President Hinckley said in a interview that it was more like $200K to $250K back 10 years ago. And, probably from pay being on the boards of companies. At least most of it.
I also agree with your statement that none of us are in a position and should say how much is enough. I know the bleeding hearts out there are saying that they should live poor and give all the rest to the poor or the Church is false. They are idiots…
No one thought after Obama won both times that the Republicans could take over both houses of Congress. I think you underestimate the general public. I will say this that if Republicans elect another middle of the road politician, it won’t matter and Hillary will win. It’s time for conservatives and libertarians to work hard together and elect a Republican that can be a huge contrast to Hillary in many ways:
Integrity
Truthful
Moral
Capitalist
Law abiding
For proper lawful legal immigration
Strong on the 1st and 2nd amendments
Strong on foreign affairs and national security
I’m sure there are other things that point to Ben Carson. But, there you have one person that understands that socialism is not the way to go. He’s pro Constitution and a Capitalist. He doesn’t have the stain of being a politician either. And, he’s not a community organizer or spouse of a former president.
Why is it important for you to decide how much a person earns and if it’s necessary to earn it? 2% of the BSA money raised goes to paying these people you hate. What interests me more is what those 2% are doing and the decisions they are making. They are making horrible decisions because of their ideology and not because of their incomes.
Then, you somehow jump from BSA brass earning 6 figure incomes to them being wealthy and not part of the middle class. Even worse, you blame them for the middle class shrinking because they climbed upwards and not downwards.
What’s worse, is you have bought into the socialist movement of class warfare. If a family household income is $50,000 that could be considered middle to high income in many rural communities. In others, it could be considered poverty, like in Beverly Hills. Middle Income is a relative term and is simply used by socialist to pit people against each other based on income instead of the color of their skin or religion. Note the anger in your own persona concerning people who have worked long and hard to get where they are like our former stake president, now an area 70.
I suppose that you are for low skilled jobs like flipping hamburgers or greeting people at Walmart should be paid $30/hr starting out. Obviously not understanding that small businesses will fold or prices of goods will skyrocket even more. If people want to earn more money in America, they can go back to school, get into a better paying profession or start their own businesses. That’s the way it use to be. But now, socialists have taken over and are making the desire to improve one’s position in life go away.
Not an easy solution to get the poor and your so-called middle class to desire to improve themselves to obtain higher income. But, I know an awful lot of people who think living paycheck to paycheck is just fine and do nothing to change it. Instead, they wait now on the government to make those changes. Same with many of the poor who could climb out of “poverty” but choose not to.
Your reply is either to the wrong person (me) or totally inappropriate and off the mark as a reply to what I posted. Most of your comments, if replied to mine, don’t make any sense and you obviously don’t understand where I am coming from.
The problem we are seeing today is a direct result of the failed politics of the last several presidents, notably the one who is currently in office. So if I say he is ruining this country and then I give several examples of how and why, it doesn’t mean I am against former stake presidents who have done a world of good and made huge efforts to help our society and to improve the situation.
Try to stay on track and don’t go all crazy with your comments about my “covetousness” or “hatred” for people who are wealthy. It’s way off track… but that is usually where you are so it is hard for you to see what is going on… on that track.
Is this not what you posted? “The complaints are valid SG. You don’t seem to be able to separate how much money people supposedly “make” from how much is necessary nor the fact that the wealthy are getting wealthier and the middle class is shrinking as a result. That is bad for all of us… you have to recognize and understand that. Are you okay with an ever increasing lower class, food stamps, housing subsidies, etc? That is what you are getting as the wealthy, many of whom do nothing productive, increase their wealth on the backs of the poor.”
SG: None of what I posted was inappropriate. This middle class thing is nothing more than something our past leader, FDR, started to pit one American against another. Middle-class is relative.
As far as the rich getting rich off the poor when the poor (50%) don’t pay federal or state income taxes, how is that? The poor pay for their goods at stores, fast food with money given to them by the rich paying their taxes (the middle-class as you say chip in some of that). Face it, the middle class buy the goods with their own money that trickles up to the rich. Anyway, I’m going above your pay scale
I’m not alone in your attacks on people who make money. I’m simply saying that the BSA is not being ruined because 2% are making wages to similar CEO’s, CFO’s, Presidents and so on in upper management of most corporations in America. It’s being ruined by the liberals getting into high positions of the BSA who are for immoral causes. Money isn’t the corruption process anymore in this case as it is with GA’s receiving large incomes from being on boards of corporations and from stipelings. And, I don’t see corruption going on in the Church, do you?
The 2% is BS and self reported claims by them based on the criticism of some of their own. They don’t publish it all, thanks to tax shelter they take advantage of being excempt. That’s why they will bend to the lgbt community, they know they will lose the protection and the IRS will force them to open the books.
“A: National BSA salaries are determined by the BSA National Board of Directors. (Incidentally, LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson is a member of this board). The national board is tasked with determining appropriate compensation for the leaders of such a large and complex organization. However, local donors should know that their money is not used by the Council to pay for national salaries. 45 percent of our Council income is provided by local donations, and all of that goes towards providing our local programs. Only one percent of our annual Council budget goes for national service fees, and those funds are provided by other Council income.”
It says 45% of their income is provided by local donations. Not that income takes up 45% of the donations. So, local donations still account for 2% of the incomes. Yet, only 1% for the national incomes. Funny how when one goes to BYU and actually learns to read that one can understand the written word
I also noted President Monson is on the board. Is President Monson corrupt?
Hook line and sinker, you fit their bill. Enjoy and continue to donate. Local donations don’t come close, outside of FOS and dues paid by the church. So full circle back to my original post, I can’t wait for the church to drop this, but maybe the salaries pulled by those in the church are what’s keeping them from it, at least while the exact numbers are not published that is.
LOL!!! You direct me to this site to prove the 2% is wrong and then you say they are all wet! You read it incorrectly! Just admit you don’t have any evidence to prove your accusations.
I didn’t miss the reoccurring theme of yours to attack the brethren. You need to gain humility and admit you are wrong and move on.
Actually KC… I took this off a site of a guy that actually did the research into claims like yours… He was under the impression of the same type of thing, he found out he was wrong… But what the hey? You are the only one that knows the “Truth” right KC?
KC, Did you ever talk to your GA in-law? I mean all this anger and angst against the church… you really should go tell him to let President Monson know the “Truth”…
