Can you vote for Trump?

Am I to understand that you are saying that President Benson is wrong regarding this issue?

What if every one of the candidates is a schmuck? Should we not vote for any of them? I donā€™t want to be held accountable if I vote for the wrong person. What if we vote for a schmuck and they donā€™t win? are we still accountable for that vote? I think it is kind of weird that we will somehow be held accountable for a vote. In what way are we responsible?

I know there are members of the church who voted for Obamaā€¦ and voting for Hillary is worse in my opinion. There will be many who do. How does this accountability thing work when it comes to voting for a schmuck? :smiley:

I have no idea. I think Black is taking the quote out of context. It makes no sense.

I have an opinion that you are taking this out of context. I think Iā€™ll be just fine voting for the person in think can help the country return to the founding principles that were God guided. I think voting for someone who will make it possible for a wicked person to lead the country down to hell is something you will be responsible for. Thatā€™s why the current prophet says vote your own conscience.

I may be. However, I have a question. You indicated that President Benson was very strongly against tyrants, fascists, communists and socialists. If I feel that an individual candidate fits one of those descriptors, can you see any reason that I should vote for them? Saying that Hilary is worse is not a reason in my book.

The question I would have to ask is what evidence do you have on Trump that suggests heā€™s any one of those? Is there anything in his business that shows this? I donā€™t see anything. And just because someone says mean things in a debate where heā€™s attacked by both candidates and moderators isnā€™t a viable reason. I just donā€™t see it in him. What if God judges you for judging him unrighteously?

Now, I agree he isnā€™t religious. I donā€™t know if he left his wives or his wives left him. Do you? Iā€™m only guessing he lacks morals that Christ taught. And so are you.

What I know is Hillary is 666. Iā€™m not going to help Satan by making it more difficult for anyone to keep her out of office. Like I said, Iā€™m my brotherā€™s keeper. I feel better obeying that commandment than worrying about my own salvation. Thatā€™s what the atonement is for.

Here is the problem with having a discussion with you. If I am the only one that answers questions, it is not a discussion. I asked a question. You responded with a question. You then accuse me of judging unrighteously. This tactic does not work.

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You judged me first by questioning then Elder Benson. I simply donā€™t believe this event is the same as he was talking about. Thatā€™s why I brought up context. I also am asking what makes Trump evil? And, is it more important to save ourselves at the expense of others?

I have not judged you. I have asked clarifying questions and I have accepted your answers. I have no problem with you disagreeing with anyone, even an apostle, if he was speaking in a situation that was outside his calling. I also agreed that the context might not be the same. However, we canā€™t have a discussion if I am the only one answering questions. You are still avoiding my question.

Answering a question with a question is called porcupine response. Iā€™ll try to use it a bit less :slight_smile:

Grasshopper seems to have quite a few different strategies that make it virtually impossible to have a rational, logical discussion with him.

Everyone knows thisā€¦

But not anywhere close as the conspiracy stuff you present? :alien:

So here is your chance to answer rblackā€™s question. He asked:

ā€œHowever, I have a question. You indicated that President Benson was very strongly against tyrants, fascists, communists and socialists. If I feel that an individual candidate fits one of those descriptors, can you see any reason that I should vote for them?ā€

Your answer?

Nope. Thatā€™s why I wonā€™t vote for Hillary or anyone else who will make it easier for her to be President. This means I will vote for Cruz over Trump and Trump (if heā€™s the nominee) over Hillary. A wasted vote for Micky Mouse is a vote for Hillary.

As to Trump, I see no indication heā€™s going to be a communist, socialist, fascist and Tyrant. The media is duping you into thinking this. They are controlling your brain. There is nothing to indicate otherwise on all points.

The media has you duped into thinking that the ncaa is a clean organization that is all about competition and has no bias or favoritism toward certain conferences or schoolsā€¦

Bingo!

I didnā€™t say it was perfect. Bingo!

I see Trump as a Fascist and a tyrant. I donā€™t believe that I have been duped by the media. I pay very little attention to the media in general. I base this partially on the leadership style that he displayed before his presidential bid. I also base this on the statements that he has made. I work hard to avoid allowing the media to brainwash me, not the conservative media or the liberal media. I donā€™t see him as a viable candidate and, in my opinion, a primary vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary because he is the only Republican candidate that she can beat.

I have said before that Iā€™m a Cruz supporter. But, for you to decide Trump is a fascist based on how he runs a major business is silly. I canā€™t believe how many Mormons donā€™t understand what it take to run a business and how itā€™s unrelate to running a country with a constitutional republic. There is no way to decide heā€™s a fascist based on his business practice.
Hillary is simply a disaster if she becomes president and those that assist her will have blood on their hands.

I donā€™t understand where you get, from Richardā€™s comments, that he was basing his opinion on how Trump runs a major business. He never said that. He said his leadership style and statements he has made. You see, that is a problem. You put words in peopleā€™s mouths and you donā€™t understand what they are saying. You should clarify it before you make accusations. This is what happens with the conspiracy thing in basketballā€¦ I think you do this in an attempt to ā€œWINā€ an argument, but it ends up making you look silly. The reading comprehension and understanding thing is and always has been a major issue. Itā€™s kind of frustratingā€¦ right RIchard?

I believe you have highlighted the problem.